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that is a source of the complaints. we'll stay on top of that throughout the campaign much that's all the time we have tonight. hope to you see right back here tomorrow. until then, ""anderson cooper 360"" starts right now. good evening. unarmed people in syria being met with police batons or small arms fire but with explosions and heavy gunfire. [ gunfire ] the video claims to be from the syrian city. we have the most disturbing video yet out of syria, a 2-year-old child shot to death by government forces say human rights activists. we'll show you the video coming up. it cuts through the syrian government lies.
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it shows what you brutality and repression looks like up close. we begin tonight, keeping them honest with tough questions for president obama about how well he has been delivering on the promise to put americans back to work. he's on a three-day, three state bus tour talking jobs at every stop. promising a major new jobs initiative next month. in fact, he and lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are talking about jobs for a long time now. >> the american people's top priority is the creation of jobs. >> creating jobs for the american people. >> create jobs in america. >> create jobs. >> job creation. >> focus on jobs. >> new jobs. >> jobs. >> jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs. >> jobs. >> talking about jobs. >> talking about jobs. >> and now it's time to talk about jobs. >> well, they're all talking about jobs. the question is what are they actually doing about it? this afternoon wolf blitzer spoke one-on-one with mr. obama much he said why wait until september for a new big push on jobs? mr. obama pointed to initiatives
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already pend brg congreing befo. >> you got something much more ambitious in mind for the september. there's been reports you want to create new department of jobs, something along those lines. is that true? >> you know, that is not true. but what is true is that i think we missed an opportunity a month ago when we could have dealt with our debt and deficit in a serious, balanced way that would have avoided these huge ji ragss in the business markets. washington had the fiscal house in order. and included in that, because of the savings that we would be getting over the next 10, 20 years, more efforts on the front end to spur job creation. >> that does not really create jobs. economists both agree on that. another white house initiative such as the tapayroll tax has bn
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cut. the least productive house session on record. there are bills putting the budget, abolishing health care reform and gutting the new consumer credit watchdog agency. house republicans say such cuts and deregulation will create jobs. none of the major legislation has made it through the democratic-controlled senate. meantime, congress is on vacation and president obama is on the road. digging deeper now with paul begala and ari fleischer. they're also on twitter. paul, welcome to the world of twitter, first of all. >> thank you. it's only a matter of time bring use it to end my career. >> no doubt about it. just don't send pictures. first off, the white house says that president's bus trip o discuss jobs and key states no less is not a campaign trip. we all know that president dozen this. but still, it's campaigning, isn't it? >> well, it's both. you can't separate the two. the whole notion we should
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separate politics from governing, it is like trying to separate mathematics from psychics. it is language through which a democracy operates. so i celebrate both. i'm glad the president is out of washington. i'm glad he's out there talking to real folks. and i'm praying that what he told wolf today is hinting at major new jobs package is what he's going to come with. when it comes to creating jobs, can the president really do a lot? can't the president only do so much? the congress is not likely to prove any stimulus money. even with a unified congress, the role of the washington government is creating an environment which the private sector can grow and create jobs. i don't think is a whole lot in both party can do directly to create jobs other than get a national climate in which the private sector does the employing. i suspect for barack obama the numbers are baked into his cake. it really doesn't matter what he does at this point. we'll be a nation that has high unemployment for first four
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years and maybe the only four years of obama. if the business cycle happens to turn, it's going to benefit whoever comes in place, whether it's obama getting re-elected or the republican taking his seat. i that i is what we're really looking at. nothing is going to change the job picture substantially between now and election day in 2012. and that's a real big headache for barack obama. >> when you hear the president talking about some sort of big jobs initiative, what do you expect? what can he really do? >> well, an awful lot. i strongly disagree with mr. fleisher. there are a lot of things that a president can do. the president he served did a lot to kill off a lot of jobs. the president i served help set in policies that created 23 million jobs. a case in point under obama. his first year, he passed his recovery act. the so-called stimulus. republicans like to say it didn't work. i went and looked. the congressional budget office say it created up to 4.8 million jobs. that's good. 4.8 million, maybe 1.7 million,
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somewhere in that vast range. that's good. but we need at least 15 million. so it was good and it was a good start. it was not enough. now flash forward to this year. basically, the president cooperated with the republican agenda. cutting taxes. he signed one of the biggest tax cuts in american history in december. $858 billion, extending the god awful bush tax cuts. and so cut taxes and republican agenda. and then cut spending, a republican agenda. the economic policy institute says that the debt reduction alone will cost us 1.8 million jobs because the contraction fiscal effect. so we're losing jobs as we follow an attempt to follow republican economic policies. i hope that president gets to democratic economic policies. >> you are shaking your head. >> yeah. here's the fundamental problem. when barack obama came into office, there were 19.9 million americans unemployment. today there are 13 p.9 million americans unemployed. we have trillion dollar deficits
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and many people in the private sector tell you that they're frozen. they're frozen because of the regulations in place and the fear of obama care as that kicks in has people sitting on what they have because they're so uncertain about the economic climate. presidents can make things a lot worse. i think that's what happened here during the obama presidency. and it's why you have an unemployment rate that is refusing to go down. and it's a significant part of this uncertainty in the private sector. but the stimulus was a failure. the president promised us if it was inactive and we spent a trillion dollars of taxpayer money on it, create mostly government jobs, the unemployment rate would not exceed 8%. it went above 10% and now it's at 9.1%. this is the longest period since the depression where you have this many americans be out of work for such a long period of time. something about the president's policies are not working. and that is nothing he is doing is going to change that unless he decides to go for another stimulus and put more people on
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the government payroll. sure that, can create temporary jobs and an astronomical price. >> i want to play at clip from wolf's interview with the president today. >> whether you took office, you said this i'm sure you remember -- you said -- >> if i don't have this done in three years, then there will be a one-temperature proposition. you remember that? >> here's what i remember. when i came into office, i knew i was going to have a big mess to clean up. and, frankly, the mess has been bigger than i think a lot of people anticipated at the time. we have made steady progress on these fronts. but we're not making progress fast enough. what i continue to believe is the buck stops with me. i'm going to be accountable. ultimately they say, look, he's the president. we think he has begin tensions. but we're impatient. we want to see things move faster. >> it's amazing how much younger he looks just even two years ago. but if unemployment is still at this level next november, can obama win? >> he can. but no one ever has, not since
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fdr. you got to go back to even before i was born to find that. he's going to have a terrible problem if you can't move the needle on jobs. i think he was essentially saying that to wolf. i thought there was a very definite answer. he said it is my responsibility. i did inherit a big mess. he wasn't finger pointing but he didn't accept the blame. what he needs is that third step. i think he's putting it together. he hinted that at wolf which is and now i want the congress to pass my jobs package. why won't the congress pass my jobs package? if he can spend the next year and a half either signing into law new job creating measures like he is proposing and i'm told from wolf's interview he will propose, or just campaigning against the do nothing republican congress who doesn't want to fight for jobs for the middle class, then i think he's got a good chance to be re-elected. >> got to leave it there. let us know what you think. thank you both gentlemen. can you follow me on twitter. i'll be tweeting tonight. up next, more of wolf's exclusive interview. we'll talk with wolf and jessica
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yellen and david gergen. also tonight, more on that scene on the streets in syria and an apparent peaceful protest torn apart by machine gunfire. and we'll show you the regime's youngest victims, including one just 2 years old. i got to tell you, i've seen a lot of terrible things in sear yachlt the video you're going to see coming up is the worst that i have seen. first, let's check in with our news. >> just ahead, part two of our special report on godly discipline. an investigation of a controversial book on child discipline found at the mom home of a 7-year-old who was beaten to death. 360s gary tuckman talked to the authors. >> rubbing the spaghetti all over your head. you shouldn't have done that at 7 years of age. okay. that hurts. i'm 50. okay. i mean --
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but are there any marks on you? no. you would hit it -- a 5-year-old like that? yeah, sure. throwing away mispers about natural gas vehicles. more of the vehicles that fuel our lives use clean american natural gas today. it costs about 40 percent less than gasoline, so why aren't we using it even more? start a conversation about using more natural gas vehicles in your community. but i did. they said i couldn't fight above my weight class. but i did. they said i couldn't get elected to congress. but i did.
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admitting he'll be held accountable if he doesn't deliver and also blaming gridlock on the other side. here is another portion of wolf's exclusive interview. >> you keep saying that there are some in congress and you don't say who, some in congress more interested in political gain than really helping the country. who do you mean fwha? >> look, i think there is no doubt that the deal that i put forward to speaker boehner which a lot of people in my party attacked me for because they thought that we were going too far. we were being too generous in terms of trying to compromise. the fact that they couldn't accept a deal in which you had significantly more cuts than revenue that would have done substantially more to close our deficit than the deal that ultimately we arrived at, the fact that speaker boehner and folks in his caucus couldn't say yes to that tells me that they're more interested in the politics in it than they are in solving the problem.
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i think, to his credit, i think speaker boehner tried. i think he wanted to. i think he had problems with members of his caucus that thought that somehow cooperation with this white house would help us politically as opposed to thinking what's going to -- what's it going to take to help the country as a whole? >> wolf blitzer joins us now along with jessica yellen and david gergen. wolf, i'm curious for your perspective. i've been talking to you. a couple folks that donated a lot of money to the president and been a big supporters of him and recently have been surprised at how -- what they said is how depressed he seems or how down he seems. how did he seem to you? >> he didn't seem depressed or down with me. he seemed to be finding his groove a little bit. he's obviously got a long way to go. and he's not in the midst of a campaign right now. he's being hit hard by rick perry, mitt romney, all the other republican candidates. he's being hit hard by all the
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tea party supporters, a lot of republicans in congress. and from the left he's being hit hard by some democrats and liberals who are disappointed in his job performance. but he seemed okay much he seemed pretty lively. the only time i saw him get emotional is when i asked him the worst part his job and he talks about when he comforts family members who lost loved ones fighting in iraq and afghanistan. i didn't get any sense he was depressed or anything like that. >> here's president obama said when asked why it is taking so long on some of the initiatives. >> what happens is, number one, you have seen a lot of layoffs at state and local government. and that has been an impediment to robust job growth that we would like to see. and there are been headwinds over the last six months, japan's tsunami, the european debt crisis, what happened in terms of the spring that raised gas prices.
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>> do you think those are legitimate explanations? >> i think they're legitimate. but i think it's only part of the story. and he's going to tell his part of the story that helps his case. others will say but look, you should have done a lot more and what you did didn't work very well. as far as the stimulus program and ari fleischer was just arguing. but on the delay, anderson this is the critical point. i give credit to the president tonight for saying i am going to put forward a plan on the deficit. we've been waiting for that. good for him. he's going to put it forward. but on jobs, to put forward a plan in september and then go out and hit the people to push for it means we're not going to get a bill any time this year. i think most americans would like to see the president sit down tomorrow, bring the republican and democratic leaders in from the congress and sit down and see what they did work out and get something done in september 1 instead of waiting for some grand plan that's going to go through the ri wringer the next several months. >> he's on a tour talking about
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jobs. why isn't he unveiling his major job proposal right now? >> well, first, it's not done. but, you know, i talked to his advisors. they see no advantage in unveiling a jobs package in the debt of august when congress is out of session. they believe it will get lost. and the thinking is wait until congress is back. release it in september. when he'll come out with both a jobs package and this proposal for that congressional super committee that's going to work on spending and maybe taxes. and as david says, it will hit it selling it to the american people. it is moot edda hyper vent lacing for action given that congress is unlikely to pass it anyway. why does it have to come right at this moment? i point out the president's job approval numbers are down right now. his advisors believe from experience that his numbers fall when he is locked in negotiations and congress. so when he goes out, he hits the street, it will give him distance. you'll hear him fight and attack congress which is code for him
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for republicans who are blocking his agenda and accuse him of not doing more. >> david, i see you shaking your head. >> everything she said is absolutely right. it's just i don't know how that really fits with americans are saying. that is we need help now. you know, we're really hurting. we're really frustrated. this economy could be floating into a second recession. we do not know that. but there's a lot of fear and anxiety out there. just because people can campaign on the hustings, it may be liberating and fun. it doesn't solve the problem. i think people are looking for action now, not four, five, six months from now. >> wolf, how much of the president today was president obama and how much was candidate obama out there? >> they were both out here. yesterday i watched him all day yesterday. today as well. this campaign has started. look, there is always a campaign whenever you're president. it is almost every single day you're thing about it's a first term. fwhut week i think marks a turning point.
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sometimes, you know, it starts after labor day or whatever. certainly for the republicans they're at full bore. they're going ahead with their chance for the republican presidential nominee. i think with this president, he was out there and while he was talking substantive policy issues, he was certainly campaigning. he needs these states here in the midwest. he needs minnesota. he needs iowa. he certainly needs his home state of illinois where he's heading tomorrow. he doesn't carry these states. he's going to be in big trouble in his re-election bid. he's campaigning. let be there no doubt about that. >> whether wolf was asking him about romney and perry, he didn't go there. how important -- i mean at this point does the white house simply want to stay above the fray? >> absolutely. there's no advantage for them to elevate either of the candidates. and why start a campaign in full force until there's an actual nominee? instead, what you're hearing the president do increasingly is take his attack to republicans
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broadly. as i said a moment ago, he doesn't even say generally republicans, he'll say congress which is again shorthanded for the republicans in congress who are blocking his agenda. but he -- they have a clear strategy over in campaign land for how they'll go after romney if he's the candidate. they're working on one for perry if he's the candidate. he needs to, in their view, stay above it all and stay presidential and stay focused on the jobs and the economy which is what the american people want. >> whether does that clafrpg? when does he start to enter the fray? >> oh, i think -- when a republican candidate emerges. i think jessica is right. he'll go more hammer and tongue at that person. but here's what's ironic. wolf said what is exactly right. this is usually you see this start up in full campaign mode after labor day. after labor day. but wolf knows and jessica knows that is usually labor day of election year. and now we have a full campaign mode on labor day of the year before. and i think when the country is hurting, i think a lot of
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americans would like to see less campaigning and more action in washington. >> no doubt about that. wolf, great interview. thanks for being us with. jessica as well. up next, no end to syria's brutal crackdown on protesters. we'll talk to an activist who says the syrian people are no longer afraid of assad's violent government. we're also going to show you video which is just stunning. and that is hard to say after four and five months of brutality that we have witnessed. this is a little girl shot to death by security forces. we'll show you the video. people have risked their lives to get this video out. also, our 360 special investigation, a little girl beaten to death by her parents who believe the bible told hem to punish her with belts and rods. where did they get that idea? a book was found in their home. our gary tuchman tracked down the author. >> i don't use the word hitting. >> what word do you use? >> spanking. >> is there a difference?
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we showed you video, protesters who appear unarmed in the street last night demanding that president assad grant them freedom and rights. this is how the security forces responded. >> no information on whether protesters were killed or wounded.
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we're not allowed into syria. we know this bloody conflict now five months old claimed another young life, a very young life this time. once again, the victim -- video of the victim has gotten out of sear yachlt people risked their lives for you to see this video. protesters have reported over the last few days security forces targeted a sea side city firing from both tanks on the ground and gunships off the coast. from gunships. they focus on one neighborhood. now government forces warned residents to leave the area. one family desperately trying to flee to safety was parentally caught in the crossfire. human rights activists say the family's car was fired upon and a 2 1/2-year-old girl was shot and killed. we can't independently confirm that claim or the video we're about to show you. our reporters are not inside syria. we don't know whose bullet took this poor child's life. we believe it's important to show you the deadly violence in
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that country. a toddler did not fire a gun at anybody but now she is another victim. sh this is very graphic. we think it's important for you to see the reality of what is happening in syria and people who risked their lives just to show you this video. the little girl was shot in her right eye. her lifeless little body lying on a squawk. one person on the tape can be heard calling assad an evil man, a dog and a pig which are two major insults in arabic. a bit later, the child is wrapped in a white shroud, blood washed off her face and a large piece of could the tun offer her wounded eye. they blamed all casualties on armed gangs. before we talk more about the death of this child, we want to show another video you to you, a man lying in the middle of the street. the man who shot the video say they can't get to him because of sniper fire. they use a wire to pull him in. it is unclear if the man was unconscious or dead. again, we can't independently confirm the details of this storey. but we have seen videos like this so many times before, dead,
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wounded protesters lying in the streets and people risking their lives to reclaim their bodies so they can be buried by their familiar lids, something the regime often tries to stop. now to the death of that child. short time ago i spoke with a human rights activist. we saw in the four or five months that this uprising has taken place and of all the br brutality and murders and killings we have witnessed and we have seen video of, i think this video of this little girl, 2 years old, shot dead in the streets is the most disturbing of all the videos we've seen for the here is brutality. do you have any information as to exactly what happened to this little girl? >> she is 2 1/2 years old. she was with her family and the syrian army started shelling
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their neighborhood. their faly took the family and tried to flee the area and take his family to a safe location. crossing on a checkpoint for the security forces and the death squads, they shot the girl in the eye. when the father stepped out of the car trying to help his daughter, he was shot in his right shoulder and he was kidnapped about it security forces. >> and i know i'm going to get e-mails and tweets from people who say we shouldn't show the video and people who are no doubt going to turn the channel. i understand that. it's incredibly disturbing. but i think it's important to show these pictures because people are being murdered in silence. this has been going on for months and months and months. and, yet, every night i'm just stunned by the bravery of people still willing to risk their lives, risk their family's lives
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to come out on the street and stand with their heads high and stand and demand dignity, demand the freedom that we here all take for granted. >> from my end, anderson, the people here appreciate the fact that you are showing these videos. you are showing this video in particular. this little girl is not the only one. so far we're talking about 148 children that have been killed by the death squads and by the security forces. syria's worst nightmare, anderson, is not what you're showing. it's what we don't know about. it's what we haven't documented. it's what no one has assumed or was able to film. so whenever we have any data like this, i think people are taking risk of their lives to show what's going on to their community, to their families. and they deserve to be shown to the world. >> and reminds me of what we saw happen to 13-year-old hamsa
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several months ago who, you know, after being held in custody for weeks and weeks and his family had no word of him, his body was returned to his family riddled, clearly tortured according to all the people who examined the body, his penis had been cut off. his knee caps shattered. it is stunning to me how this regime not only arrests children and tortures children and shoots them dead in the street, but what will return the bodies to families as a warning to those families and to others. they want people to see these mutilated corpses. >> i remember that in march when the uprising started and the first time i think we talked together, we talked about the wall of fear, the high wall of fear that was in syria. that has collapsed. and the regime is using every tool, every way possible, no matter how brutal it is. no matter how inhumane it is to try to build that wall of fear
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again in people. they do not spare children. they do not spare women. they do not spare old men or woman. they do not spare anyone. they have a simple target. they want people to feel afraid again. and they want them to stop protesting. and they will -- they have used children. they will continue to use children. and they will do it until they feel that people are scared again. and this technique is not working. and people are not scared. >> and people are risking their lives to take these images and put them on the internet. i feel like the least we can do is show them. i appreciate you joining us, thank you. >> thank you, anderson. >> still ahead tonight, a man who has written a book that claims the bible demands that parents discipline their kids with force. it's part two of our 360 investigation, ungodly discipline. of course, we have a bull tetin.
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>> authorities are getting tough about the rioting last week in london and other cities. police say two young men in northwest england posted facebook messages calling for riots in their towns. a court sentenced them to four years in jail. russell armstrong, the estranged hum of taylor armstrong, one of the real housewives of beverly hills, has parentally committed suicide. that word from los angeles police. russell armstrong says his lawyer suffered from depression. the dumb were divorcing. >> here's a strange story, authorities in kentucky say this man paul douglas peters is wanted in his native australia for allegedly tying a fake bomb around the neck of a young woman as a way to extort money from her family. he then flew to the u.s. where he was tracked down and arrested. and sorry to all you friendly and good hearted guys in the office. you earn less money than your crankier colleagues. oh, yes. and a study shows that men who are stubborn and disagreeable
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around the water cooler earn bigger bucks. >> wait, does that mean that piers morgan is making a lot of money? >> that means he's probably rolling in it. >> he's not disagreeable around the water cooler. >> no. no. >> he doesn't go to the water cooler. >> he has water brought to him. just in case people out there who decided tomorrow they want to go in and be a schmuck, there's no guarantee it's going to work for you. so if you get fired, you're not coming to live with me. i'm just saying. >> i'm glad you put that disclaimer up there. time for the shot tonight. it's -- it actually reminds me a little bit of, well, family reunions i've been to. who doesn't like a fierce monster truck rally? we found this on youtube. the guy in the right needs a new truck, definitely. yeah. that's just a typical day on the moore family farm there. >> i'm going with it needs a new life, not just a new truck.
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>> i think that is turtle man right there, actually. >> you know this how? >> i don't know. i'll show you a turtle man video some time. go on to youtube and you'll see it. >> okay. >> next, serious stuff. the second part of our 360 investigation. a family in foster care after their little sister was beaten to death by their parents. they said they were following the bible in thou hoe punished here. we'll introduce you to the couple behind a book that says god wants them to punish their kids and cause pain. >> i never met any well-trained emotionally secure happy creative children that weren't spanked. >> i wasn't spanked. also ahead, the search for answers in the horrific stage collapse of the indiana state fair that left five people dead and dozens hurt. the fair experts have been called in to investigate. we'll have the latest coming up. and 800 iu of vitamin d plus minerals.
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crime and punishment tonight. a parenting book is controversial to say the least. god wants parents to spank their children and it should be hard enough to cause physical pain. the becoook was found in the ho of a family in california who were accused of beating their 7-year-old daughter to death. they say they're no way to blame. gary tuchman investigates. michael pearl is a competitive knife and tomahawk thrower. he never misses the target.
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but it's just a hobby. his life's work is preaching. he targets what some might call extreme discipline of children. >> i've never met any well trained, emotionally secure, happy creative children that weren't spanked. pearl is a minister of the gospel, a devout christian. he and his wife are best-selling authors who have written many religiously themed books. but their most popular and most controversial, a book called "to train up a child" in which they write about the need to inflict physical pain. i don't use the term hitting. >> what's the wore? >> spanking. >> is there a difference? >> absolutely. a hand is hitting. a little switch is spanking. a wooden spoon or a spatula, that's spanking. >> in the book, the pearl who's live in rural tennessee, declare the rod is a gift from god, use it as the hand of god to train
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your children. they say, any spanking, to effectively reinforce instruction, must cause pain. this couple believed in the pearls. kevin and elizabeth shots, parents of nine children, read their book. as a matter of fact, the book was found in their house and put in an evidence bag after the california couple pummelled one of their daughters for hours. the 7-year-old lidia shots who was adopted died after suffering horrific injuries all over her body. mike ramsey is the district attorney in california. >> we're talking about was and as we charged torture, torture over hours. this past spring the shots pleaded guilty to the killing of their daughter lidia. and seriously jirg her older sisters. these are photos of some of the sister's wounds. the marks left by the rods. many of the images too gruesome to show. the shots say they also regularly beat their other children, were covering the faces of the survivors to
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protect their privacy. >> the book was there. it was underlined, underscored -- >> there's no question in your mind that this book by the pearls influenced the shots to beat, brutalize and terrorize the children? >> none at all. >> no question? >> no question. >> the pearls feel differently saying their book rejects parents losing control and acting out of anger. so you're not accepting any blame? >> absolutely not. >> how scared were that you there would be blame pointed at you? >> i don't think we were scared at all. there has never been a suggestion to anyone that someone's lost control because of what they read in our book. >> the district attorney clearly disagrees and puts blame on the pearl's for the tragedy. but he acknowledges that's about as far as he can go. was there ever any consideration at exploring legal charges against the pearls? >> not really. because they have a first amendment right to say awful things. >> the pearls say they feel badly for the girl who died. but are unapologetic.
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they're not shy about using props and humor. i'm going to spank the cnn man. to show how they believe god wants parents to spank. rubbing the spaghetti all over your head. you shouldn't have done that at 7 years of age. >> okay. that hurts. i'm 50. >> okay. >> i mean i -- >> are there any marks on you? >> no, but you would hit a 5-year-old like that? >> yeah, sure. >> the pearls say you can never be too young for some physical pain. for example, when a baby bites during breast-feeding. >> i would gently pull their hair, very gently. it's enough to make them let go. >> the spankings with various objects say the pearls, are actually done out of love. the pearls appear to be staying prolific with writings and preachings. they say they're now simultaneously writing four new books. there is no indication that any controversy slows them down.
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and why should it say the pearls? they say it worked for their children and most importantly this is what god wants. >> we don't punish our children. but we sometimes need to get their attention. >> the eight surviving shots children are now all in foster homes. they and their sister lidia certainly got our attention. >> gary, how popular is the pearl's book? >> they're very influential in circles over the last 17 years since the book's been out. it sold more than 650,000 copies aren't world. so you know they have a lot of influence. what's really important to note though is neither of the pearls have any educational background in child development. they say this is just biblical common sense. >> do they have children of their own? were those kids raised using what they call the spanking to cause pain method? >> they have five children, 19 grandchildren. they say all five of their children raised this way. they say they're all good kids. as a matter of fact, the five children work for the parents.
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but i can tell you, every day in the united states you have children entering emergency rooms because they've been pummelled by their parents. it's impossible to know how many are pummelled in the name of religion. but we do know that's what happened to lidia. >> such a shocking and disturbing story. gary, appreciate you bringing it to light. thanks. coming up in the program, an engineering company is hired to look into the cause of that deadly stage collapse at the indiana state fair. five people killed, 40 hurtment details ahead. there are people out there slamming a rap video made by a group of sorority girls in alabama. we'll show you the video and why people are so wrong to criticize i had.
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anderson in, libya, rebel forces appear to be closing in on gadhafi's seat of power, tripoli. they have control of several towns in the west, putting them in position to cut off supplies to the regime. 30 miles from tripoli, a blooding battle is raging. rebels say they seized most of that key city and hope to start advancing on tripoli by the end of august. a 360 follow, a new york engineering firm has been hired to investigate the deadly stage collapse that killed five people and injured 40 others at the indiana state fair. state fair officials say they'll make the findings public.
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in l.a., a quarter million dollar rembrandt, remember the story we told you about last night, the one stolen from a luxury hotel? well, it has been found. it was parentally too hot for thieves to handle. they dumped it and someone tipped off authorities. and this story for you. this massachusetts pizza parlor recently filled an order for 150 pies. pretty impressive. but another number is even more impressive. that number is 1400. that's how many miles david schuler, the man who placed the order, drove to bring the pies home. he lives in mississippi. but he carries a torch for his hometown pizza joint which is just outside of boston. >> so do you order all the pies and then freeze them? >> yeah. but here's the thing. i went online to check out the pizza place. and you can get overnight delivery by mail. >> doh! so we mentioned turtle man earlier. i didn't know -- you said you didn't see turtle man.
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let's just show a little bit of it. >> let me hear it. >> you have to do that and you get higher and you can catch another one. >> this is a man who he catches turtles. >> yeah? >> yeah. you can't understand him. >> i can't understand anything he's saying. i'm sure you can understand. >> i understand every single thing he said. >> did he say he was part indian? >> he said a lot. you have to watch it on youtube. i learned a lot about turtles. >> i don't want to know anymore. >> i should thank piers morgan with a look on "piers morgan tonight." >> tonight, i'm talking to a man who is still mulling over his own run at the white house, rudy giuliani. plus, one of the president's top celebrity supporters who raised big bucks in a star studded party last week, harvey weinstein. and we'll talk to a very
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time now for the ridiculous. we're adding a group of people we're calling alabama slammers. they're people slamming what i think is a fantastic video featuring sorority girls from the university of alabama rapping. the video has gone viral and fast. now i maintained for years that nothing says rap music like white sorority girls. now at last, i'm vindicated. >> yeah, yeah, that girl over there. look at sher. we'll see what you look like in seven days. what it be. what it be indeed. what it be. yo, they got mad street cred. yo. let's hear a bit more from the rough and tumble young ladies that put the hell in the association. we put it all on. it's rush week ♪ ♪ all because we want you to go greek ♪ look at you now
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look at you now ♪ ♪ can't wait for bid day smoet ♪ >> scoff if you like, i'll tell you one thingment i don't want to be around when the east coast, west coast sorority rap war starts. sure, it will start with a barn dance or something. but i'll tell you right now, it is going to end in blood, sweat and tears. mostly tears, tears which will be compromised mostly of boones farm. >> wait. hold on. hold up. hold up. remix! >> snap! i have a feeling it's about to get deep yo. ♪ 7:00 a.m. waking up in the morning get fresh got to go outside got to grab your heels and grab a meal ♪ ♪ the time is going everybody is freshen got to go down ♪ >> how did a brunette sneak in there? so remix is a take on rebecca black's friday. bold choice, ladies. these rappers are not afraid to show their edgier side.
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by now you notice this is all about rush week. you may be asking, hey, what exactly is going to happen during this process? for example, do the pledges really got to get down? fear not. it's all about to be explained. in other words, delta delta delta is going to help you, help you, help you. ♪ rush week rush week ♪ got to get down on rush week ♪ you are working for our big day ♪ ♪ yeah, yeah, yeah. go ink green, yeah. fun, fun, fun looking for forward to our good day ♪ >> people are making comments about this video. it is stick to your keg parties this and eat a baked potato that. there is one thing i have to say to all the skeptics. >> leave me alone! leave brittany alone! >> yes, i know he was talking about britney spears. i think it's totally appropriate, 84% of sorority girls are named brittany. that is science, yo. so leave them alone.

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